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Tuesday, June 26, 2007

DOCUMENTATION AND THE NO-SPIN ZONE

I will let the documentation below speak for itself. I have only removed names and XX'd out email addresses to protect the privacy of others and avoid their possible identity theft.  
PLEASE NOTE: SOME ADULT MATERIAL WITHIN THE EMAILS... 



In the interest of Truth I was advised to not delete them so please be advised! Elizabeth was, like me, suffering from a triggering of her PTSD when everything came out. She has a history of being severely sexually abused by an adoptive parent and is on permanent disability. Wounded and vulnerable. However her triggers do express themselves differently from mine.  

At the bottom I have also included email I received from law enforcement. (little did I know when I went to report a threat from YWL to myself & my children, that law enforcement would open a can of really slimy worms. I had NO IDEA how far and deep YWL's addictions went or that I was just a minor speed bump in YWL's problems until then.)

I am using actual, dated emails to clarify who did what. Header data included where I could get it to copy. These may be out of date order. 

  PLEASE NOTE some of [YWL]s online 'personal ads' are posted - these are VERIFIED and some are still available online. Most of them were MONTHS before he got in touch with me (which was April 2002). 

So yes, he lied to me from day one. He's shielding his wife from me... and shielding himself from me - why? only possible real reason could be - because I know the truth. Easier to make me a scapegoat and a pariah and cast me out on the trash heap as a bad bad bad person. 

YWL left me one message during it all saying he didn't want "to lose me out of his life" and I was "too important to him." I was never allowed IN his life. 

 Make up your own mind. Based on FACT. Honest reporting. 


Here's what I had that I can legally post:
 

xxxx@hotmail.com
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I am toying with [YWL]. I just wanted to tweak his ugly self. I am sorry it upset you. But the man deserves everything he's going to get and more. O.K. so I lied about my age... so I am 55 not 45 like I told him - but what he did is a lot worse!

He told me he loved me and he'd be back around once he smoothed it over with the wife. Then he dumped his cell phone so I couldn't do anything other than call his office.

I already told his boss, PoXXXr and his parents. He's not getting away with this.

Love, Elizabeth

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From: Barbara C To: elizabeth_grXXX_633@XXX.com Sent: Subject: FW: Re: one more thought

Please remove me from your mail list Elizabeth. That is my private email address now and [YWL] is still on your lists. My other mail is now being monitored with NYPD and I want nothing to do with it. I want no contact with him and I am sure he'd like to see me dead. He disposed of me in 1976 and he disposed of me this time too. And please think twice about all the harassment you keep talking about doing to him. He does have a wife and small children. I only got back from long term therapy a couple months ago and between sedatives and focusing on my children I cant deal with it anymore. Its all a reminder of my stupidity and his long-standing hatred of me.

Barbara

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Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 6:50 PM
Subject:

Dear: elizabeth_grXXX_633@XXX.com

if you feel the need to taunt him that's up to you, just please take my addresses off your address list He will never contact me again, since I seemed to sicken & disgust him so thoroughly. He hates me and blames me for figuring out his sick game. I just don't want to get attacked by his other friends anymore. So please keep me out of whatever you are doing.

And remember, the man has children. I am the one their detective friend got after I am the one he tried to tell everyone "planted" all the escort stuff, etc. I am the one he has painted as a stalker I have children within striking distance! you don't.

PLEASE I am NO WAY minimizing you. This is proved by his immediate attack on myself and his unbridled hated towards me. He was done with me in 1976. I was nothing to him. Not real. I am not even supposed to have hurt feelings. He didn't even care about the abortion. And he doesn't even care....  

He'll just keep smearing me and my name. I don't want to go back to the hospital again because of this.

Shalom - Barbara

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From : Elizabeth GrXXX <elizabeth_grXXX_633@msn.com>
Sent : Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:01 AM
To : <schmooze@jewishworldreview.com>
Subject : Making better prisoners
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Why do you continue publishing this writer?
He does the same thing over and over; it could be a template.
I haven't seen one original idea from DXXX and, yet, you continue to put him in your publication. What is this? The Jewish version of 'Skull & Bones?' Seriously, when you have so very many good writers who have a style, yes, but not the exact same tone every single article as does DXXX, what else is going on here?
When I receive articles from JWR, they are invariably excellent. Oh, wait, I understand: DXXX is that little exception to prove the rule that you use writers based on ability only, right?You don't think this has merit? Read each of DXXX' pieces: absolutely interchangeable wording/tone/sarcasm/style ... just change the subject ever so slightly.
Do you pay your writers? If so, even a penny would be a bit much whereas with your other writers: priceless!
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From: "Elizabeth GrXXX" <elizabeth_greene_633@XXX.com>
To: "Barbara" <xxxxx@hotmail.com> >
Subject: Re: A JewishWorldReview.com article from Barbara >
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:22:35 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: [65.54.98.100] >X-Originating-Email: [elizabeth_greene_633@msn.com] >X-Sender: elizabeth_grXXX_633@msn.com >Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.172.119]) by mc1-f3.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:22:39 -0700 >Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:22:37 -0700 >Received: from 65.54.98.100 by bay5-dav15.bay5.hotmail.com with DAV;Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:22:37 +0000 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHGLcd/2RveFoVZTEUVk1mC >References: <200408251400.i7PE0WuE015046@challah.teamgenesis.com> >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: MSN 9 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0006.2205 >Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:22:35 -0700 >Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV15wGmAf0Mjk0001d1f9@hotmail.com> >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2004 15:22:37.0533 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A81F0D0:01C48AB7] >Return-Path: elizabeth_grXXX_633@XXX.com > >

I simply cannot fucking believe [YWL]! Maybe you can live with it but I won't be treated like what he did to me never happened. All the porn he sent to me! Or the monstrous way he talked about you.

>He minimized me, he minimized what he did to me. .He talked about you like you are a lovesick schoolgirl. Remember "don't tell Barbara, she'll ruin our happiness?" He made some very nasty comments about you.

So, no. Im not letting it go.

> http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0804/dXXXz_arafat_prophet.php3<http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0804/dunetz_arafat_prophet.php3> >

> um... this isn't news is it?

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From : XXXX Green <XXXX633@msn.com>
Sent : Wednesday, August 25, 2004 12:57 PM
To : "Barbara C" <XXXX>
Subject : Re: A JewishWorldReview.com article from Barbara
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Barbara, part of what you wrote, "There is no observation and not a tremendous amount of facts (like yours) but a mountain of ANGER. And that makes me very very sick to my stomach." intrigues me. Why do you get sick to your stomach? His anger?

I was pissed off because he seems to be living his life as if he hurt nobody; like an OJ Simpson. He wants it gone, he says it never happened - no real remorse or even attempt to talk to you ...

please explain to me so I can understand what you are feeling. thx
xxxxxx@hotmail.com

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From : Elizabeth GrXXX
Sent : Sunday, August 22, 2004 12:21 PM
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Barbara I got your call. I know you think [YWL] is just going to pretend it was all just a misunderstanding, he did nothing wrong, its all your fault, or as he said to me "it never happened."

But he isn't going to forget because I won't let him, m'kay? He gave me all his personal information and phone numbers so I guess its okay for me to use them wisely now!

Elizabeth

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From : EXX Green <XXX633@msn.com>
Sent : Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:01 AM
To : <schmooze@jewishworldreview.com>
Subject : Making better prisoners
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Why do you continue publishing this writer?He does the same thing over and over; it could be a template.I haven't seen one original idea from DXXXX and, yet, you continue to put him in your publication. What is this? The Jewish version of 'Skull & Bones?' Seriously, when you have so very many good writers who have a style, yes, but not the exact same tone every single article as does DXXXX, what else is going on here?When I receive articles from JWR, they are invariably excellent. Oh, wait, I understand: DXXXX is that little exception to prove the rule that you use writers based on ability only, right?You don't think this has merit? Read each of DXXXX' pieces: absolutely interchangeable wording/tone/sarcasm/style ... just change the subject ever so slightly. Do you pay your writers? If so, even a penny would be a bit much whereas with your other writers: priceless!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ xxxx@hotmail.com
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Sent : Sunday, August 22, 2004 12:21 PM
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FYI I gave my friend in L.A. who was in the Mossad [YWL's] information. He's on it.

I wrote the Editor of Israel Insider about him too.

Remember, you did the right thing telling [YWL's wife]. I have her email now:
apjmanagement@XXX.net

[YWL's] going down no matter how long this takes.

Elizabeth
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From : Elizabeth Guess <xxxxxx@XXX.com>

Sent : Thursday, June 24, 2004 8:47 AM
To : <schmooze@jewishworldreview.com>
Subject : Blame it on Madonna/Esther
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Dear Sir, More tripe from DXX? Good grief!In the first place, I received my memo (was his lost in the mail?) that it is now permissible to use God rather than G-d because neither one is the actual name; no one can truly 'say' the name.Secondly, this whole article is a big tsuris over nothing. Fads come and they go: right now, many celebrities are taking a good look at Judaism. There is NOTHING wrong with that, mainly because they come away loving those of us who are indeed Jews: what's not to love? To blow all of this out of any normal sense of proportionality, as author DXX has done, by bitterly telling them to go get some anti-Semitism with their Kabbalah is just plain mean and, therefore, by definition, NOT a Jewish way of being.Many articles from JWR are informative and well-written; this is 'same-old, same-old glibness- without-scholarship' from this same-old, same-old author. Do you continue to publish him to make your other contributors look good by comparison? If so, you are doing a great job!

"For the sake of Zion I will not be silent; For the sake of Jerusalem I will not be still." (Isaiah 62:1)
xxxx@hotmail.com
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From : Elizabeth GrXXX
Sent : Thursday, June 10, 2004 2:47 PM
To : "Barbara"
Subject : emails
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 I am going to be getting anonymous web based emails. If you don't want to know then I won't tell you.

I am not giving up as easily on this jerk.

His website, his good name - it all needs to go!

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xxxxx@hotmail.com
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http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/newscontent.php3?artid=4314

Dear Sir: With regard to the above article, please be advised that you have quoted a man who is currently under investigation by the Computer Crimes Unit of the NYPD for procuring prostitutes online and subsequently engaging their services. Please feel free to contact any or all law enforcement authorities to verify my statement.

Or contact Julie's NYC brothel about him.

I have copies of the police information, with their written verifications in my possession, should you need it. This email is sent in hope of complete confidence for me. I write that because Mr. XXXX DXX is very dangerous to women.

That is not hysteria: he poses no threat to you or any other man. However, his current legal situation causes me great concern for the reputation of The Jewish Week should Mr. XXX DXXX be charged and convicted for soliciting prostitutes, as I requested NYPD to do, although not in the very near future.

In other words, the prudent thing is to not use his name in your publication until you find he has been cleared, which is highly unlikely.

Thank you for taking the time to read my email.

Shalom, Elizabeth

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From : Elizabeth GrXX
Sent : Friday, May 20, 2005 3:19 PM
To: citu@nypd.org
BCC : "Barbara C"
Subject : JXX DXXXz aka Gridney/ Sexual Solicitation
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New York City Police Department
Computer Crimes Division
1 Police Plaza,
Room 1110D
New York, NY 10038

Dear Sirs: In March and April of 2004 I had many conversations with Detectives from your office. One named Det. XXXXX , in connection with the visit you recieved from Ms. Barbara XXX on March 25, 2004.

Your office did an investigation into the online activities of one JXX DXXX and found he was seeing prostitutes, at least 12 of them over a 2-3 year period, and posting the disgusting details on message boards. You asked me to verify these postings were him and sent me copies.

I sent your department at NYPD a homemade pornographic video Mr. DXX had sent to me in which he exposed his genitals to me performing a lewd act in his home bathroom. I sent it to the FBI office in San Francisco as well.

I haven't heard from your office in a while and would like to know what you are doing about this man? I had told the detectives I wanted Mr. DXX prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law in New York for this solicitation of women in sex for money exchanges.

I recently got a letter from my Internet Provider telling me that Mr. DXX had told them I was harassing him and my service would be cancelled.

Why am I being punished and this man is walking around free? Your office told me they would look into this man 's criminal conduct.

He needs to be off the streets as soon as possible. I await your speedy response.

Elizabeth GrXXX 


Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 6:50 AM
Subject:

Elizabeth Guess wrote:  
Shalom, Rabbi, I wrote you earlier. I am one of the women with whom [YWL] 'recruited' into a relationship from my comment to an article in the Jewish World Review, where he also has published. 

He romanced me, told me how he was married but was miserable in it; that his wife didn't perform her 'duties'; eventually told me he loved me and so on. 

I was initially introduced to him by a new friend who had known [YWL] for many years. That woman had known him in college, he looked her up again just two years ago and he recruited her as one of his intimates during that entire two years as well. Eventually, everything came out about him, but we were unaware of the extent of it. 

This is as big a shock to us and a soul-wrenching experience to both of us and others, first and foremost his wife and children.

 Be'ahavat Yisrael, Elizabeth **************************************************************
   
----- Original Message ----- 
From: XXX To: Elizabeth Guess 
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 1:14 AM 
Subject: Re: 
CONFIDENTIAL: for Rabbi XX's eyes only: 
PRIVATE

I think we must take down all of his articles, that's for sure, and of course stop featuring him, but i need to think about how to approach him. If you have it the material that is most damaging with his nickname and IP verified from the police, you can email it to me. thanks for taking the time to write to me, and helping us protect our name and work. 

i am still stunned about all this. and feel sick about what he's doing to his family and you women. i do have a good email relationship with him, and could possibly help to encourage him to get help. it seems he is an addict of sorts. i will try to write to the Barbara you mentioned myself. looking forward to hearing from you  

Rabbi XXX 
  Editor, aish.com XXX@aish.com 
Old City, Jerusalem Israel 
POB 14149  
Direct Line: [972-2] XXXX  
Fax: [972-2] XXX www.aish.com ----- 

Original Message ----- 
From: Elizabeth Guess 
To: XXX@aish.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 8:48 PM 
Subject: [] CONFIDENTIAL: for Rabbi xxxxx eyes only: 
PRIVATE  

Dear Rabbi XXX:

 This email is sent in order to keep you up-to-date on the XXX DXXX matter. Law enforcement is involved; therefore I feel I have an obligation to keep in mind your publication might not want to be exposed to this sort of liability.

  The following law enforcement is involved: 
NYPD Computer Crimes (646) 610-5397 
NYPD Dept of Investigation (212) 825-5900 
NYS Attorney General's Office (212) 416-8060 or (800) 771-7755

 Mr. DXXX has been found posting lurid details of his liaisons with prostitutes on such sites as www.theeroticreview.com - under his old nickname: gridney. (he's since cancelled his account but archival copies & records of his credit card remain) 

These posts were traced back to both his home & work ISPs by law enforcement. Because these sites include prices and the names of prostitutes, contact information and brothels, I have asked law enforcement to charge him with solicitation and promotion of prostitution.

 Mr. DXXX has also been found advertising since 2001 for sex on a number of the online personal sites. He openly admits he is married with children, where he lives and what he wants. He also declines to state his religious affiliation, which in my humble opinion speaks volumes. 

Please find him at these sites (there are more) and please find another page from a personal ad site attached herein.
  Eroticy.com/MySexetera/Profile/ViewProfile.asp?ID=282692 
Eroticy.com/MySexetera/Profile/ViewProfile.asp?ID=221863
http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/search.php?searchid=982634  

Also, please note he gives his address thereby putting his family in danger as well. All of the online personal sites have also been linked back to his home or work ISPs, dating back for at least the past 3-4 years (law enforcement may find older links still).  

XXX, the authorities also suspect he is using the Guestbook from his own website and all comments received from his articles to get new partners. He belongs to a number of Jewish newsgroups and has been chatting up women there and "love bombing" (method used by predators & cult leaders to win women over quickly), according to the police. His wife has been informed. 

As of this date, it is out of our hands and completely in the hands of the authorities. 

Clearly, this is not a personal issue, but rather a serious public safety issue.

 Thank you for taking the time to read this. 

Please understand I felt I must follow up to help you try to protect your good work. 

Please allow me to offer the following as well, for your consideration:
Question: I try my best to observe the laws of lashon hara by not only guarding my tongue against gossip and slander but also guarding my ears against accepting what people tell me about other people. How am I to react to a report that someone gives me about a fellow who intends to do me or others harm?
Answer: There is a fast day in the Jewish calendar related to your question called "Fast of Gedalia". On the third day of the Month of Tishrei Jews fast because on that day about two and a half millennia ago Gedalia ben Achikam, the leader of the Jewish community in Eretz Israel following the destruction of the Beis Hamikdash, and the exile of most of Jewry to Babylon, was assassinated, a tragedy which sealed the doom of hopes for reviving the Jewish presence in their Land. Gedalia was warned by one of his officers that another officer named Yishmael had been hired by a foreign power to assassinate him, but refused to believe him. This naiveti led not only to his death but also to that of a large group of Jewish pilgrims who Yishmael murdered after carrying out the assassination for which he gained infamy. The Talmud (Mesechta Nidda 61a) quotes a passage referring to Gedalia as the murderer of these pilgrims, placing blame on him for ignoring the warning given to him regarding Yishmael's intentions. The lesson to be learned from this, says the Sage Rava, is that even though it is improper to give total credence to the bad report we hear about someone else, we have a responsibility to treat it seriously and take the necessary precautions.

http://ohr.edu/yhiy/articlephp/1634
If you need to contact me, please do so at your convenience. ----------------------------------------------------------  


GRIDNEY is a Member [ Write This Member ] [ Add To My Red Book ] [ Report This User ] [ Ignore This Member ] 
  From: Dix Hills, New York Aprox. Distance: 
Age: 43 Sex: Male 
Preference: Straight 
Height: 6' 0" 
Weight: 200 lbs. 
Purity Score: 0 of 100 User Has Not Taken Test 
Hair Color: Bald 
Eye Color: Blue 
Zodiac: Cancer Marital Status: Married 
Race: Caucasian 
Religion: Prefer Not To Say 
Smokes: No 
Drinks: Rarely 
Children: Have Now (Live with me) 
Looking For: Casual Sex, Discreet Relationship 
Education: College Degree Date Posted: 3/18/00 
http://www.redpersonals.com
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Location
City: Dix Hills
State: New York
Country: United States
Detailed Information
His Age: 44
His Orientation: Heterosexual
His Ethnicity: Caucasian
His Height: 6' 0"
His Weight: 201 to 210 lbs
His Hair Color: Brown
His Eye Color: Blue
User Rank: Not Yet Rated
SExpert Score:
Validated/Pref Status:
Description
Looking to explore
Looking For
Anyone for Anything
Wildest Sexual Fantasy
tree women at one time
Wildest Sexual Experience
boring ...noting but boring
What You Need To Know About Me
I like to make people laugh
Activities and Practices that I Have Some Interest In
Cyber Sex, Masturbation, Oral Sex, Sensual Massage, Voyeurism 
posted 2001

Gridney1's Eroticy Profile

Location
City: dIX HILLS
State: New York
Country: United States
Detailed Information
His Age: 44
His Orientation: Heterosexual
His Ethnicity: Caucasian
His Height: 6' 0"
His Weight: 201 to 210 lbs
His Hair Color: Brown
His Eye Color: Blue
User Rank: Not Yet Rated
SExpert Score:
Validated/Pref Status:
Description
Likes to cyber, trade pix or trade warm embraces
Looking For
Anyone for Anything
Wildest Sexual Fantasy
two redheaded girls large natrual tits, licking my balls
Wildest Sexual Experience
see above
What You Need To Know About Me
I love to eat pussy juice
Activities and Practices that I Have Some Interest In
Cyber Sex, Oral Sex, Phone Sex, Sensual Massage, Swinging 

posted 2001
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PLEASE NOTE: the dates on these "sex ads" were WELL BEFORE YWL got in touch with me (which was April 2002)

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 http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/search.php?searchid=651837
gridney
Bronze 
Registered: Sep 2001
Location:

Posts: 4 julies advice Kitty BBBtc for me and she is pretty good...dont like the rock hard breasts...

Domino is the best I had there just about everthing.... my toes were curled for a week

Have never been with Sara...but have heard great things about her.  

05-31-2002 10:01 PM
gridney 
BronzeR
egistered: Sep 2001
Location:

Posts: 4 three most exciting things to do in NYC ... Destiny, Giovanna, Mets World Series Game ( but that doesn't come as often as the first 2)  

11-29-2001
04:55 AM
http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/showthread.php?p=31385
gridney
Bronze 
Registered: Sep 2001
Location:
Posts: 4 Monica/Marie Her response to me: Yes, outcall on Long Island at 300/hr.36C-25-36
White, long,curly, light brown hair with blondhighlights and brown eyes.
I am 5'6.I live 30 minutes East of Medford...
Sorry, no website yet; I'm working on it.
Pager#631 633-0140  

11-21-2001 06:46 AM
gridney Bronze 
Registered: Sep 2001

Location:
Posts: 4
Dont forget Domino Domino at Julies is a MOT who dispels all those stereotypes about bbbj's

11-20-2001 05:00 AM
http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/search.php?searchid=982634


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To: XXX@Aish.com
Dear Rabbi CXXX:

Elizabeth Green forwarded her correspondence with you to me. I am the other woman she mentioned in her email. I will try to respond to you as best I can.

I have known YWL since 19XX when we went to college together. We totally lost touch in 19XX and in 2002 I got an email “out of the blue” from him. He contacted me through Classmates.com. We corresponded and do not live too far from each other. Within 2 weeks YWL initiated an emotional relationship with me on line, told me he was very unhappily married and so on. 

I am disabled now and estranged from my abusive husband. I am raising 2 small children basically on my own. 

YWL offered support and tried to talk me into having an affair with him. That never happened because I didn’t feel right about it. But we remained friends. In fact, I helped him edit a number of his articles (I write and have been published myself). 

We had lunch once and he acted very oddly but I disregarded it as “quirky.”

It is a traumatic shock to me to learn that YWL had not only done the same routine to another woman but that he had a pattern of sexually addictive behavior. He has sent me sexually explicit material over the internet, all of which I gave to the NYPD. When I confronted him he threatened my family and me. I went to Detective XXX at the XXXth Precinct since YWL knows where I live. YWL is now on file with them.

I also sent information to Computer Crimes and the NYPD Dept. of Investigation and all the information about the site where he “reviewed” the hookers he has seen and the numerous personal ads for sexual partners came up. ( www.theeroticreview.com) They have everything on file since he will probably race to erase everything as soon as possible.

Rabbi, the awful realization hit me when Victim's Witness counseled me that I wasn’t an old friend he looked up – he had targeted me. The police are looking in to how many “friends” he contacted through sites like classmates.com and through his own website.

The detectives I spoke with also told me that he may be questioned about the soliciting. They could not, for my own safety, give me too much information but they told me a sweep of brothels is going on in New York State, particularly the ones in Manhattan that people like YWL frequent. Detective XXX at Computer Crimes told me that YWL would probably try to tell people this is a campaign or vendetta against him - and his wife - in order to gain pity or smear me or both.  I can solemnly assure you - it is neither.

Rabbi, I have absolutely nothing to gain by coming forward with this information. I am probably losing someone I thought was a friend of 30 years and putting my children & myself in possible danger. I am under medical care now for the severe emotional trauma this has caused me.

YWL's wife has been informed (it seems he was using work resources for booking hookers online, a work cell phone for phone sex and possibly doing things during his out of town trips). I pray every day for the safety of his wife and children and that YWL somehow gets the psychiatric help he desperately needs.

Rabbi, if you could talk to him about getting ongoing help and repairing his marriage, it would mean a lot to me as I will always pray for him.

If you need to contact me you can do so at this email address.

Shalom,
Barbara XXX
XXXXXX
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From: "Computer Crimes Squad" <citu@nypd.org> Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
To: xxxx@XXX.com
Subject: XXX
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 10:33:02 -0400
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Dear Ms. XX On behalf of The New York City Police Department, we thank you for bringing this matter to our attention and coming to our offices. We may need you to verify any other information we turn up on Mr. XXX and will contact you for verification. 

We have gotten a positive ID on Mr. XXX from 2 arrests made at XXXXXX.  

Thank you again for also letting us track your email. If you need any further personal assistance, our Victim's Advocate Department is ready to help in any way. This is currently being investigated as part of a larger probe. 

We are requesting a commendation be made to you for your assistance. 

Det. Carlos A. XXXXX.
New York City Police Department 
Computer Crimes Squad 
One Police Plaza, Room 1112  
New York, New York 10038



It's not me, it's all her. (blah blah lie lie blah)
 

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